Hebrews 12 · Verse 8

Hebrews 12:8

But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12:8, King James Version

Hebrews 12:8 in other translations

BSBIf you do not experience discipline like everyone else, then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.
WEBBut if you are without discipline, of which all have been made partakers, then you are illegitimate, and not children.
ASVBut if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
YLTand if ye are apart from chastening, of which all have become partakers, then bastards are ye, and not sons.
DARBYBut if ye are without chastening, of which all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
BBEBut if you have not that punishment of which we all have our part, then you are not true sons, but children of shame.
WebsterBut if ye are without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then are ye bastards and not sons.

What does Hebrews 12:8 mean?

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown
8. if ye be without--excluded from participation in chastisement, and wishing to be so. all--all sons: all the worthies enumerated in the eleventh chapter: all the witnesses (He 12:1). are--Greek, "have been made." then are ye bastards--of whom their fathers take no care whether they are educated or not; whereas every right-minded father is concerned for the moral well-being of his legitimate son. "Since then not to be chastised is a mark of bastardy, we ought [not to refuse, but] rejoice in chastisement, as a mark of our genuine sonship" [Chrysostom].

Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset & David Brown, 1871 · public domain

Barnes' Notes
Verse 8. But if ye be without chastisement. If you never meet with anything that is adapted to correct your faults, to subdue your temper, to chide your wanderings, it would prove that you were in the condition of illegitimate children--cast off and disregarded by their father.

Whereof all are partakers. All who are the true children of God.

Then are ye bastards, and not sons. The reference here is to the neglect with which such children are treated, and to the general want of care and discipline over them:--
"Lost in the world's wide range; enjoined no aim, Prescribed no duty. and assigned no name."
Savage.
In the English law, a bastard is termed nullius filiua,. Illegitimate children are usually abandoned by their father. The care of them is left to the mother, and the father endeavours to avoid all responsibility, and usually to be concealed and unknown. His own child he does not wish to recognize; he neither provides for him, nor instructs him, nor governs him, nor disciplines him. A father who is worthy of the name, will do all these things. So Paul says it is with Christians. God has not cast them off. In every way he evinces towards them the character of a father. And if it should be that they passed along through life without any occurrence that would indicate the paternal care and attention designed to correct their faults, it would show that they never had been his children, but were cast off and wholly disregarded. This is a beautiful argument; and we should receive every affliction as full proof that we are not forgotten by the High and Holy One who condescends to sustain the character, and to evince towards us, in our wanderings, the watchful care of a Father.

Albert Barnes, 1834 · public domain

Adam Clarke's Commentary
Verse 8 Then are ye bastards - This proceeds on the general fact, that bastards are neglected in their manners and education; the fathers of such, feeling little affection for, or obligation to regard, their spurious issue. But all that are legitimate children are partakers of chastisement or discipline; for the original word παιδεια does not imply stripes and punishments, but the whole discipline of a child, both at home and at school.

Adam Clarke, 1831 · public domain

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on Hebrews 12:1-11

Chapter Outline An exhortation to be constant and persevere, The example of Christ is set forth, and the gracious design of God in all the sufferings believers endured. (1-11) Peace and holiness are recommended, with cautions against despising spiritual blessings. (12-17) The New Testament dispensation shown to be much more excellent than the Old. (18-29) Verses 1-11 The persevering obedience of faith in Christ, was…

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Hebrews 12:8 in the original Greek

Word-by-word with transliteration, English gloss and Strong's number. Tap a number for the full definition and every place the word is used.

εἰeiIfG1487
δὲdehoweverG1161
χωρίςchōriswithoutG5565
ἐστεesteyou areG1510
παιδείαςpaideiasof disciplineG3809
ἧςhēsof whichG3739
μέτοχοιmetochoipartakersG3353
γεγόνασινgegonasinthey have becomeG1096
πάντες,pantesall,G3956
ἄραarathenG686
νόθοιnothoiillegitimate childrenG3541
καὶkaiandG2532
οὐχouchnotG3756
υἱοίhuioisonsG5207
ἐστε.esteyou are.G1510

Source: STEPBible TAHOT/TAGNT (Tyndale House, CC BY 4.0).

Cross references for Hebrews 12:8

  • Hebrews 12:6

    For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

  • 1 Peter 5:9-10

    Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

  • Psalms 73:1

    A Psalm of Asaph. Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.

  • Psalms 73:14-15

    For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning. If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.

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Treasury of Scripture Knowledge
6; Ps 73:1,14,15; 1Pe 5:9,10

Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (Samuel Bagster, c. 1836) · public domain

Context

  • Hebrews 12:7

    If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

  • Hebrews 12:8

    But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

  • Hebrews 12:9

    Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

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Hebrews 12:8 in other languages

Spanish
Reina-Valera 1909
Mas si estáis fuera del castigo, del cual todos han sido hechos participantes, luego sois bastardos, y no hijos.
French
Bible J.N. Darby 1885
Mais si vous êtes sans la discipline à laquelle tous participent, alors vous êtes des bâtards et non pas des fils.
German
Elberfelder 1871
Wenn ihr aber ohne Züchtigung seid, welcher alle teilhaftig geworden sind, so seid ihr denn Bastarde und nicht Söhne.
Latin
Clementine Vulgate
quod si extra disciplinam estis, cujus participes facti sunt omnes: ergo adulteri, et non filii estis.